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here's some stunning news. another man in a powerful position admitted to an affair with a younger assistant. i know. i was shocked, too. yep. okay. this time the cheater is espn analyst steve phillips. what makes this affair extra tabloid friendly his 22-year-old mistress has apparently watched "fatal attraction" one too many times. hide that rabbit, kids. joining me to talk about men and the ambitious younger women who love them are comedian nick depalo, lauren lake, attorney and author of "girl let me tell you" and the author of "divorce sucks," mary jo. he has an affair with a young woman. she breaks it off. she goes to his house.
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listen to the 911 call from his wife many. >> 911, what's your emergency? >> come to -- i have a crazy woman involved with my husband and she's come to my house to harm me and my children. >> okay, ma'am is she outside? >> she's pulling down my hill right now. she's in a blue prius. she just pulled past me. >> okay. so you're -- >> going down my driveway. it's a blue car. it's a blue sedan. >> okay. i'm sending officers right now. what's your name -- >> okay. it's a little scary, but isn't this what happens when you fool around with a 22-year-old girl and you're like, 30 years older than her or whatever he is? >> a real love story. >> a wacky environmentalist, she drives a prius. a left wing nut case. >> what is this guy thinking? >> she's very, very unattractive. >> how is that relevant? >> wait a minute. >> he's not thinking.
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>> it is interesting. it is interesting. that is a good point. his wife's a real babe. the 22-year-old -- i don't want to say anything derogatory, it's always interesting when you meet the other woman because she's not quite what you expect. >> never are. >> whoun it reminds me of? prince charles. he drops diana the beauty and goes with the -- horse face. >> the rottweiler -- >> the guys are not thinking. >> i'm quoting what -- >> i'm -- >> they're not thinking. >> it's a different part of the body. >> you get a little money, power, success, halfway decent looking. it's a recipe for infidelity in many cases. it's unfortunate. 22 years old. >> how unfortunate. >> i love this document. >> 22 years old? >> i love this argument from women. 22, she's so young. you guys don't drool over young guys. >> i married a young guy. my husband is ten years younger than me. it's not the point. >> i married a hot guy and he left me.
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i married a hot, young guy. i'm going for an old 90-year-old billionaire. >> emotional needs. >> thank you. >> she contacts this 16-year-old son, this crazy girl, on e-mail. she poses as a teenager when she does that. asks questions about the parents' relationship, and it's now being reported that she hired a stalker through craigslist to harass phillips' wife. >> you can wire stalkers? >> he didn't know the gun was loaded. >> i'm doing my own work. >> you're terrible. >> been hiding in bushes. >> you don't know what you're getting. >> look at this picture from "the new york post." look at the picture. have it? we will get it. there it is. he posed with her. he's a moron. >> clearly -- >> she's mentally a little off, right? >> the picture was not a setup. >> no. >> she definitely is two sandwiches short of the picnic. however, she was credible enough to get a job at his network. production assistant, but she
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was there as an intern. >> i think she's got a crush on jack black. >> i read you part of the letter. she writes i may be 22, but i'm not stupid. to top it off, steve has a big birthmark on his crotch -- >> that's not true. >> which part? how do you know that? a big birthmark on his crotch above his penis and one of his inner left thigh. you know i'm not being fake. >> that's disgusting. >> you know what's interesting about that? she did the whole letter. she said, i want to -- hi, it's just writing you, the wife, to let you know i'm having an affair with your husband. it's serious because we're not just having sex in parking lots. the last two kids is because he's guilty over bad affairs. in case you don't think we're talking about the same guy, let me describe his crotch. that's bizarre. >> that's how paula jones got clinton in trouble in the first place when he was the governor of arkansas. remember that? >> yeah. >> she identifies his genitalia and that led to the impeachment case.
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>> when will these men learn? >> written a letter, put it in the house. >> put him up -- >> thank you for saying my next statement. they're not going to learn. >> will you quit acting like we're wired the same, men and women? we're totally different. are we pigs and dogs or aren't we? >> the point is we are wired differently. i don't know what your beef is with me. i'll tell you my beef with men -- my beef with men who continually cheat but expect sometimes there's going to be a ramification. this girl is a nut case. granted, however, at the same time, when are you going to learn? i'm not talking about you -- >> one at a time please. >> okay. hold on a second. that argument just doesn't go. i'm sorry, it doesn't. men are pigs. i've had some experience. >> some men are pigs. present company excluded. you're a lovely man. i talked to you in the greenroom. you're lovely. listen, this woman is 22 years
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old. women going into the field, they like getting hooked up with powerful men. clearly she's mentally off. but you can't blame it on the men. these women are inclusive. >> you guys are missing my point completely. what i'm saying is that once you make the vow and you're married to someone -- i'm not yelling, i'm passionate. once you make the vow to someone and you're married, all i'm saying is don't you owe the duty and care to your wife to not cheat? that's my point. it's not about her being -- >> let him talk. >> can i ask a question? in the history of show business, has it never been a famous woman who cheated on her husband? where's that story? would you even cover it? we live in such an anti-male -- >> we're not doing that. >> i know. i'm making a nice argument. >> would you cover that story if it happened, joy? >> don't you think married men pay attention to this story? remember "fatal attraction?" >> we learned this stuff in high school. >> a lot of women say their husbands calmed down after they saw that movie. for good reason. >> here's the interesting thing about that movie.
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michael douglas had this hot wife -- >> the actor? >> in "fatal attraction." sorry about that. he had this perfect life and all of a sudden one weekend away up north, he's like i'm going to do you know here's an opportunity. i'm going to take it. he thought he could get away with it. >> the letterman case even jimmy kimmel is going out with someone on staff. he's not married so we're not getting too upset about him. letterman wasn't married when he was fooling around but he was in a very committed relationship for the past 23 years while he was doing it. what is it about men? why do they feel they can risk everything in their personal lives with their wives for a few minutes of nookky? >> you're insulting it's a risk. how do you know letterman didn't have -- how do you know the wife didn't cut a deal with letterman by saying, you know what, you
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can do whatever you want. some people do this. do whatever you want. if you're going to make $40 million a year and i can live like a queen i'll turn a blind eye to you. >> that's cynical. >> cynical, you're right. i just made that up. >> the interesting correlation to that is john edwards who is running for president. clearly he had an affair and probably an illegitimate child and thought he could pull it off. at the same time if you don't know who you're with -- >> let's hear from the men. i like to hear what is the motivation? >> it needs to be scratched. it's nothing to do with ego. it's stupid what he did. but men are risktakers. are we not? >> so it has nothing to do with ego at all? >> it's more risk than women. >> how come he gets so tipped off when the wife does it? the men go crazy when the wife is having an affair.
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which doesn't happen as often as men. >> who goes crazy? >> their egos are injured and -- >> men go crazy when -- when they're married and there's a custody suit and they lose their kids because all the laws benefit the wife in that situation. you can say -- >> men go crazy when women cheat all the time. >> it's a lie. >> it's absolutely not. how long were you marry? >> 6 or 22 years. one or the other. >> six years. but i've been with her for 15. >> 15 years. what if she was having an affair on the side? >> she would be doing me a favor at this point. no, i'm kidding. i'd say, look, don't put it on youtube. i don't know. >> you don't really care at this point? >> i do. of course it makes me nuts. >> well, you just agree with what you said we were -- come on, now. >> i have a feeling that you can't even imagine it happening. >> with my wife? it's baloney. i most certainly can.
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i picture it every night. >> she lives with him. she knows. but, listen, can i ask you a question, nick, you are the expert here. >> okay, we have to go. you can ask him off camera. thanks to my panel. by the way, the very funny nick depaulo will be at the improv october 29th through november 3rd. back with the legendary gore daval. what a show.
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this man once said his greatest achievement was not killing anyone. let's hope that doesn't change tonight.
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i've been an admirer of his for years, celebrated essayist, novelist, playwright, satirist. we don't have enough space on the prompter to fill in everything that this guy has done. he's "gore vidal" snapshots in history's glare. welcome to the show. pleasure to have you on the show. >> it's a joy to me, joy, to be on your show. >> now, i started with you wanted to kill somebody. you have anybody in mind right now? >> yes. of course i do. nobody present, may i say. >> nobody present. that's good. >> we have to get down to the district of columbia where i will go to work to cleanse the republic. >> so you don't want to name names? >> no, i won't name names. >> all right. let's talk about -- i'll name a couple of names. barack obama.
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>> i like him. >> mm-hmm. >> i wish he knew more about the united states. i was for hillary at the beginning on the grounds she knew how to be a president. having sort of done the job as a spouse. and and i realized that he's too intelligent for the job. >> obama is -- >> of course. we have the worst-educated population of any first-world country. and i hope you're listening and i hope you know that your lack of education is the joke of the world. it's not a very nice joke. >> you're talking to the americans now. >> the americans, yeah. >> do they make fun of us in italy where you lived for all those years? >> no, because italians are kind. >> i think you have a point. he's a little too smart for the country in a certain way. i mean after bush, i don't know if the country could take the shock of such a smart guy. >> they didn't. what happened was, for the first time the american people are
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people. we're listening on primetime to a president of the united states duly elected officially, anyway -- duly elected president who is speaking as one intelligent, well-educated man to his fellows. well, they never heard anyone like that. i'm a wartime president. you got that? i'm a wartime president. and he's marching along there. and let me tell you, if we don't fight them over here, we're going to have to fight them here. i'm all for fighting them right here at that moment, you know? but i couldn't jump into the screen fast enough to kill him off. that's one murder that i missed not committing. >> yeah, too late anyway. >> right. >> so you know obama, the other thing about him is he's always trying to be bipartisan. you know? >> it don't work.
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>> it's not working. >> no. and i think he realized it's not working. and feels like he's been president, you know, since mckinley. and i wish him well. and he comes up with nice ideas. i mean but his health care thing has me in knots. my brain is in knots. >> it does? >> when i think about it i don't know what it means. >> none of us understand it. it's to our credit we don't. we aren't working for the banks that got, whabts it $700 trillion or something? from the previous administration. which was, god, they were generous to a fault. >> they loved to give money to the rich in this country. >> the rich deserve the money. you see, if you're a really a good protestant -- i suspect you might be catholic -- but we
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protestant protestants firmly believe if you're a good person, you're rich. >> yes. >> if you're a poor person, you're poor. >> and you deserve to be -- >> otherwise, god wouldn't have made you that way. >> that's right. that's calvinism. >> oh, honey, i knew you'd drop his name. are you still dating him? >> no. he -- he wasn't that good in bed. >> well, i don't know, everybody swore by him in washington in the old days. but it's the new regime now. >> last night at the "y" -- or the night before, wherever it was, it was interesting. we were talking about comedy. you're very funny and you're a satirist. and i'm in the comedy business myself even though you can't tell from this interview. >> i can tell. >> yeah, you said something interesting. you said comedy is cruel. now, that would make dick cheney funny. and he's not. >> come on. vice president of the united
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states, a working sadist who is trying to get more prisons to lock up people to give them the water treatment? i mean, come on. i can't think of any higher comedy that we've had. >> yeah, that's a riot, all right. >> wowy. that's about as funny as it gets, you know? >> so, that's -- the other thing i want to ask you, so many things, i could just stay here all day. but you -- you have a longtime partner, howard -- >> mm-hmm. >> i read you said the secret to the success of the relationship was no sex. >> of course. >> ever. >> i thought that was clear. >> no i wasn't sure if it just petered out like everybody -- >> no, we were virgins. >> that's interesting. that's a platonic relationship, no? >> i never knew what plato was up to. we only have his word for it. >> so that's interesting because -- so you were able to
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really stay together because there was none of that sexual jealousy going on, i guess? none of that. >> imagine being jealous of anybody over sex. >> it happens all the time. >> i know it does. which reminds you if you go out in the street grab something passing by. you're as well off as you were up there looking out. >> that's a good point. i presume from that you're not interested in gay marriage in any way? it doesn't interest you? any more than straight marriage? >> both put me to sleep. >> okay. we'll have more with refreshingly and brutally candid gore vidal coming up. >> i don't think the novel is our tradition anymore. i think our tradition has shifted in my lifetime, we're at the certainty stage, novel risks, po et have been pushed out.
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in my lifetime i have watched the novel risks pushed out and what do we have the center? one of the most ridiculous expressions on earth. this is a movie culture.
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people in the united states happen to believe the united states policy is wrong in vietnam and viet kong are correct in wanting to organize their own way politically. this happens to be pretty much the opinion of western europe and other parts of the world. if it's novelty in chicago, that's too bad. i assume for the point of american democracy -- shut up a minute. >> no, i won't. >> the answer is they were well treated by people who of the ra sized them and i'm for of the ra sizing those who egg on american marines to shoot them. i know you don't care. >> the only person i can think of is yourself, failing that -- >> now listen, you -- stop calling me --
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>> let's stop calling names, [ bleep ]. >> you'll stay plastered. >> so you got along nicely with him? >> he was all girl. >> you know after he died, i love -- you said hell was bound to be a livelier place if he joins forever those he serves in life applauding their prejudices and fanning their hatred. you just didn't like this guy, did you? >> no, i didn't. >> before we go, i loved the book. it's beautiful. everyone should go out and buy the book. it has beautiful pictures of you and your family and mother whom i read that you really loved your mother. >> just an adorable person, yeah. when i saw that little boy, the one in the balloon, no, i will not talk about it, but the balloon boy.
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he's giving an interview afterwards and he can't stop throwing up. >> i know. >> i was like that -- not at 6, but at 10 years old -- because every time i had -- my mother was a mad woman and she was raging all the time, happily, she was drunk most the time. and i can remember every time i had to say something to her, which was not very often if i could help it, i'd start vomiting. >> really? >> yes. if she were a modern mother, she might have said, there's something wrong here. >> but she didn't? >> no, she changed the cook. who was actually quite good. >> there's one more quote i want to run by you. this is something that i read a long time ago, from da vinci. it always sort of keeps me thinking, maybe it won't be so bad after i'm dead because he says, a well-spent day, just as
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a well-spent day -- you might know this quote -- brings a happy sleep, so a well-spent life brings a happy death. i thought, what a great thing to believe. do you believe that? >> well, we have an old italian expression for it in italy. it means he's just whistling dixie. >> so much for the great da vinci. okay. >> linney. >> linney he was something. thanks for doing this with me. i actually interviewed you years ago on the radio. you told me last night i looked different on the radio. that was good. >> superb when you were there. >> thank you. okay. thanks to everybody for joining me tonight and thank you for watching, everybody. good night, and good luck. who said that? >> edward r. murrow.
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breaking news tonight. live, colorado. the whole country on pins and needles. a little 6-year-old boy's life hanging in the balance and a beautiful silver space-like balloon soaring through the clouds. tonight, it apparently all ends in felony charges. police, sheriffs, national guard, volunteers, the faa, even a whole airport and commercial carriers trying to save the life of a 6-year-old boy. falcon heene. who his brothers and his parents say is trapped inside that homemade balloon, racing through the sky. eyewitness reports something or someone falls thousands of feet to rough terrain near the colorado rocky mountains. after 60 miles of terror, the
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balloon lands. no boy. was he dead? was he injured? was he lying down some ravine with every bone in his body broken? no. he was hiding hiding in the family attic the whole time. blurting out on national tv, it was all, quote, for the show. on not one but two morning shows, that same child so nervous he vomits. when asked the same question. bombshell tonight. just released, distraught, seemingly heartbreaking 911 calls from the boy's father and mother. both breaking down over their 6-year-old son's life threatened. but was the stunt in the works for months? with us live, heene's former colleague, who may have the answers. and tonight, more disturbing news about the three little boys' home environment.
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in addition to an alleged domestic abuse 911 call to the home, the three little boys, ages 6, 8, and 10, appear on youtube. in a rap song allegedly their dad wrote and taught them, full of filthy language. the title is so shocking. we're disallowed from saying it on the air. but you can hear the children spewing it out. age 6, 8, and 10 on youtube. under the direction of their father. looks like bye-bye, reality show. hello, cell block.
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>> the first thing that came to my mind was who would possibly do something like this? it has to be richard heene. so when i actually saw this on tv, you know, i didn't realize how serious this was until later on in the day. i was actually helping my friends move. as the news stories progress and the buzz sort of built and watching falcon actually say on tv, well, we did this for the show that's when all of my questions were answered. and tonight, satsuma, florida. a 5-year-old little girl tucked into bed. five hours later, she's gone. vanished. daddy comes home from the nightshift to find not a trace of little haleigh. the last person to see the 5-year-old alive that night, new stepmother misty croslin. just hours after croslin
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handcuffed by cops on alleged road rage, she flies to new york taking to the air to declare she's innocent. even in that one brief interview, she can't keep her story straight. first claiming she knows nothing about haleigh's whereabouts, then blurting out the other side of the family took haleigh. then a 180 on the failed lie detector, claiming she passed, then admitting she failed. after her brother tells cops he was at the home that night, no sign of croslin, completely debunking her story, her own mother saying croslin's not coming clean. croslin's tv response? they betrayed me. they're the bad guys. look at them, not me. minutes after that debacle on national tv, her lawyer dumps her. breaking tonight, croslin back at police headquarters. but this time she claims she's the victim, claiming she was robbed at gunpoint. but did the alleged robbery go down in the middle of a drug deal?
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was croslin scoring dope? if so, what does it mean in the search for haleigh? this as we learn croslin's mom is interrogated by police about her daughter's involvement in haleigh's disappearance. what does she reveal? >> breaking news. the ex-wife of ronald cummings, the last known person to see haleigh alive, misty croslin, has been robbed while she and friends were allegedly trying to buy illegal drugs. police say misty and two friends were robbed by two or three men outside an apartment complex. >> you have made an accusation that croslin was on a drug binge.
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do you have any evidence to support that claim? >> no, i don't. >> then why did you say it? >> it was just a thought. i mean, maybe she was. maybe she wasn't. >> cops say at first they were told the women were there to visit friends but learned they were actually there to score drugs. police didn't know what type of drugs they were allegedly trying to buy. >> what does it say about her and who she is willing to betray? is she betraying ron? is she betraying haleigh? >> mr. cummings, i can say that tonight for the first time, i don't believe you. i think you do suspect your ex-wife, soon to be ex-wife's story. >> his main concern is finding his daughter. he don't care who it implicates. >> this, as misty's father, tells journalist art harris there's no way misty hurt haleigh. >> are you saying you didn't fail the polygraph like people and law enforcement are kind of claiming you did? >> no, i did not. >> okay. so bottom line, you don't know where haleigh is? >> bottom line.
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good evening. i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. live, colorado, the whole country on pins and needles. a little 6-year-old boy's life hanging in the balance and a beautiful silver space-like balloon soaring through the clouds. tonight, more of the stunning 911 calls from mommy and daddy and, tonight, surfacing on youtube, a profanity-laced rap song. these three little boys apparently learned at home. what does that say about their home environment and what do these 911 calls prove?
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>> he's a very creative individual, very hyperactive. unfortunately, i think he's a little driven by fame and really interested in kind of promoting himself. i think he had the, you know, the ego from "wife swap" and appearing several times on "wife swap." >> i hate these pajamas.
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>> you are seeing, we are seeing the rap song that the heenes thought was okay to put on youtube, a song they wrote and produced their children to sing. we have bleeped out most of what we could understand of the profanities. i can't even say the name of the song. it is a sexual slur on women, is the name of the song they have taught these children to sing. 6 years old, 8 years old, 10 years old. the "f" word, the "s" word, calling gay men faggots up trees is in this song. okay. let's get back to the whole balloon stunt. out to sarah hansen senior
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content editor with "the coloradan." thank you for being with us sarah. what is the latest? >> the latest is we are waiting for next week when the sheriff office investigators and the larimer county attorney's office will meet to discuss possible charges. >> and to mary margaret. senior news editor radaronline.com. what more can you tell me? what do we know about the proof prosecuteors may have to show this whole thing was a stunt? and that heartbreaking 911 call was nothing more than a performance? momny included. >> we do know that the heenes have had a long history with playing up for the cameras. the parents met in an acting studio in los angeles and this is something they've reared their children to do. investigators were tipped off after they saw the family on cnn when little falcon slipped up and said oh, i thought this was for the cameras. that's really what tipped them off and made them realize this
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was all for show. >> tonight, more stunning excerpts from that 911 call. it breaks your heart to hear mommy and daddy breaking down in tears, seemingly unable to breathe the mom at one point. with me right now, a very special guest joining me from new york. robert thomas. this is heene's former researcher. mr. thomas, thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> you know, mr. thomas as a hardened felony prosecutor, i put people behind bars on rape, murder, child molestation, dope trafficking, arson. i was thinking, this was a stunt. do they really need to go to jail? now that i'm hearing about a prior 911 domestic abuse and this rap song using the children has surfaced, i want to talk to you about how far you believe mr. heene would go? was this all a stunt with the balloon? using his boys? >> i, personally, believe that it was a stunt. my perspective isn't just based on the media.
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it's based on my own personal experience with mr. heene.
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how many legitimate 911 calls came in that day? how many people needed police, needed sheriffs, needed help? but no, everybody was consumed trying to save this 6-year-old boy's life up in a balloon. he was never there. back to robert thomas, a special guest joining us out of new york. mr. heene's former researcher. robert, thank you for being with us. you state that at first your mind was open, then you came to believe pretty quickly that this was all just a stunt. tell me why. what do you know? what have you told police?
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>> well, i first met richard back in march. i have a few renewable energy projects that i'm working on and a website called extrapedia.org that is designed to bring people together with technological ideas to benefit humanity. i saw richard heene's science detective series and immediately thought, this is a great opportunity to collaborate with somebody. i was kind of shocked, you know, to see how things would transition after that point. you know, as the months progressed and i worked for him doing various activities, things just got weirder and weirder and obviously i guess they culminated to a point when this event took place.
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d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d ♪ when you want to learn the mysteries of how things work ♪ ♪ weather, the planets, the whole universe ♪ ♪ tune into the show, ♪ ♪ watch richard heene, psycience detective ♪
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♪ see and explain everything on earth ♪ ♪ comets and tornadoes and the secrets of earth ♪ ♪ he'll give you information from a new perspective ♪ ♪ watch richard heene, psycience detective ♪ everyone, you are seeing the balloon that went through the air, allegedly with a 6-year-old boy inside it. you're hearing the theme song to "psycience detective." robert thomas, have you ever heard that theme song before? was that part of one of his reality show pitches? >> that wasn't one of his reality show pitches. that was actually -- i never personally heard that song but i did catch a couple clips of his psycience detective videos on the internet. that's why i reached out to him. he seemed to be interested in studying nature and how it could apply to making new technologies to benefit mankind. that was really my goal.
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>> okay. robert you said one of his treatments for reality shows is almost identical to this particular stunt that we're showing right now. did you have conversations with him about the stunt? not the one where he claims his kid is up in the air, but prior to that. what was the plan? >> well, we were actually just sitting down and getting a bite to eat and were discussing a book i was reading at the time on roswell and when i say roswell i'm referring to the event that took place in 1947. my question for richard was richard, do you think this was real? do you think something actually crashed or do you think this was an elaborate media hoax? i was completely taken to a new level. richard at that moment in time stood up, his eyes got all wide. he said, that's it! that's it! that's exactly what i'm going to do and goes running into his office and basically, i follow him in there, we start talking
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about his idea which his idea was to exactly what you read. it was to use a weather balloon and basically spin off of roswell and try to do something on a much larger scale because we live in such a technological society now that, you know, the news spreads incredibly fast. >> a larger scale. i mean, it's put together with tinfoil and duct tape. what to you mean a larger scale? by including his 6-year-old boy? >> i wasn't aware of that at the time -- >> okay. >> that was, i guess his -- >> okay. let me back it all up. take a listen to this, robert. this is just a couple of hours ago. listen. >> he's got talent, but he abuses it by going after these crazy things. >> he was always looking for this kind of thing. you know, he was always wanting a big moment. >> any stardom to him is good stardom. whether it's good or bad, it's still good stardom. >> former co-worker and friend of heene's on nbc's "today" show.
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just a couple hours ago. would that describe him? robert thomas? >> absolutely. richard was all about the controversy and about creating a buzz of any kind. i think this all really started with "wife swap." he got a little taste of stardom and wanted more and more and more. >> take a look at heene on "wife swap." he made several appearances on the show. there you see his children involved, obviously, in the show. it seems as if a lot of his endeavors to get fame for himself involve using, utilizing his children. i want to go back to the rap song. norm, if you could cue that up for me. mike brooks, former fed with the fbi, weigh in. >> nancy, i tell you what. i'm looking forward to next week to see exactly what charges this guy gets locked up for.
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conspiracy, delinquency of a child, attempting to basically con a public servant and i hope that the fbi goes after him for some federal charges. now, the faa, they're taking a look, too. they can only charge him with faa violations, f.a.r.s for civil penalties. i can tell you what, they can get in his pocket. >> look at this, mike brooks. >> they call this guy a detective, nancy? i was a detective. that's an insult to me. look at this, with these kids. ♪ >> to dr. jeff gardere. dr. gardere, we went round and round and round about whether i could even tell you the title to the song, and ultimately we decided that we shouldn't. not that i don't want to not give you the news, but it would
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be giving such a bad example to say that word on the air. it is a horrible slur on women. all right? that's the title to the song. >> sure. >> the "f" word. s-h-i-t is in there. >> references to gays in a negative way. >> they call a man a faggot up a tree. you know what? i would kill someone that even said that word around the twins, to let them even hear such filthy talk as that. to have your child -- to teach your child to say that, to sing it? i mean, all of this was put in singing lyrics and then you saw the shot where the little boy is sitting on a commode and he is covered with fake excrement? i guess fake excrement. dr. gardere, help me out. >> what cost the price of fame. we have to look at richard
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heene, he's not just obsessed with being famous -- >> listen. listen. i wasn't all down on him to start with. i thought this was a bad idea. the more i'm hearing about it, the more i realize he may have utilized his children. >> i have to tell you this, nancy, i was one of the first in the media as a shrink to talk about i thought there was something wrong going on with a lot of the interviews that they gave. he seemed very disingenuous. turns out he was a cheap actor with this. my concern here is exactly yours, nancy. what is he doing to the character of these young kids? even as a publicity stunt, he's teaching them negative values about people. it's wrong. >> clark goldband, what more can you tell me? >> nancy is there a fracture in this family? i can tell you at this hour, mayumi heene the wife of mr. heene, has her own attorney. this attorney telling abc news he doesn't deal in divorce, only deals in criminal matters but is
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also inferring if there are charges against mr. heene then mrs. heene should not be charged. she's been manipulated. >> everyone, with us tonight, not only robert thomas richard heene's former researcher his colleague, but also his attorney, well known in her region. linda lee is joining us. everyone -- >> hi, nancy. >> linda, i want to thank you for being with us. i will make it very clear, linda, no one suspects your client of any wrongdoing. i'm very grateful for the two of you being with us. we'll all be right back. to tonight's safety tip. nearly 800,000 children reported missing every year. many kidnapped going to and from school. your child should travel with at least one other person. have a safe route to walk. avoid alleys, stairwells, shortcuts. children at school bus stops must be supervised. know where registered sex offenders are located. your child must avoid walking near their home. they must. children 10 and over should have a cell phone for emergencies.
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that last call you were hearing is an alleged 911 domestic abuse call. when police get to the home, clark goldband, what do they find? >> yes, nancy. law enforcement arrive at the home because of the 911 hang-up and they find red marks on wife, mayumi. they hear yelling. they ask about it and he says that was the kids you heard. law enforcement didn't believe it but didn't have enough problem cause to make an arrest. >> isn't it true her eye appeared to have blood vessels broken in it? as they were there, police noted swelling began on the wife's face? >> yes, law enforcement said it became progressively worse.
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>> okay. very quickly, marc klaas, i would like for you to weigh in on this. i know finding lost children and unsolved homicides are your expertise, but this is touching more and more on the home environment of these children. >> sure. nancy, as one of the team, i'm struck by the irony that richard heene has achieved his goal. he's now one of the most talked about men in america. however, it's not for his stellar showmanship, it's because he's exposed himself as a third-rate con man who is willing to use public resources to promote his goals and encourage his own children to demean women, to demean gays, to swear and to lie. whatever this guy has coming to him, he totally deserves. i hope he gets it, and beyond that, i hope that he's forced to pay restitution for the -- for the public resource that went toward pulling this balloon down and ultimately uncovering this
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hoax. >> the only problem with that, marc klaas, is he'll have to get his own reality show to pay the restitution. maybe that would be the reality show, "how i paid my restitution." to linda lee, attorney for robert thomas. linda, again, thank you for being with us and you, too, robert. you know, your client, robert thomas, had a series of e-mails back and forth with heene. which were, in my mind, probative not necessarily of the hoax itself, but of his relationship that he did have the relationship he claimed to have with heene. >> that's correct. >> now, he sold those e-mails to gawker.com and faced a lot of criticism for that. i always wonder -- i would never be happy as a prosecutor that a witness sold a story. why does everybody focus on that, that he sold e-mails as opposed to what could be the real crime here? >> well, nancy, i have no idea why they are focusing on that. as a former prosecutor, myself, i agree.
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it's not really about what he did in terms of selling this. believe me, it was a minimal, minimal amount that he received. that was long before i joined the case. however, as a prosecutor, what's more important is justice here. the reality is we now have proof this was a hoax. we have proof that mr. heene is not who he claims to be and, in fact, he was trying to deceive everyone. fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. he fooled the police in the beginning, but i hope he doesn't get to fool this jury. right now we're switching gears. believe it or not, misty croslin, the new stepmother of missing girl, haleigh cummings claims to have been armed robbed. here's the kicker. was she in the middle of a dope deal when the robbery went down? what does she say to 911? i want to report somebody just stole my dope. take a listen. >> it's just divorce.
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i don't want a divorce but it's what he wants so, whatever. >> the last person to see haleigh alive is the last person to finally sign divorce papers. will these boost the investigation into what happened to 5-year-old haleigh? >> the whole relationship right from the very beginning has been tumultuous from the time the police report was taken. maybe now that, you know, ronald's not there to protect her -- >> to art harris at artharris.com. art, what can you tell me? >> nancy, i can tell you misty cummings has made another controversial 911 call. not about a missing child, like haleigh, but about herself as a victim of a possible drug deal gone wrong. she was out with two girlfriends, they were driving around monday night. she was in the back seat when one got out to meet a friend at an apartment complex, comes back, two or three unidentified men grab misty, grab her purse, get into some kind of fight and they take her purse. misty then calls 911 and makes this report. >> what evidence, if any, do we have she was involved in a dope deal?
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>> we only have the statement of the driver and a friend that they had gone to this place to buy dope. i talked to her father last night. >> wait. wait, art. so are those the two people who were with her at the time? >> that's correct. >> they are incriminating themselves by saying that. >> that's right, nancy. it's a strange situation that police would be out investigating victims of a possible dope deal gone wrong with misty in the backseat. she told her father who i talked to that she was not there to buy dope. he said that he thought they were there to buy pot. misty had stopped smoking pot a long time ago. >> pot. pot. okay, art, what did the other girls say they were buying? >> they did not specify the drugs they were buying, but police did find a crushed bottle of pills outside the apartment where one girl lived. later when they went to speak with them, they took that in for evidence, nancy. >> a bt of the pills where one
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of the girls lives is not the dope that was being sold at the scene of the crime. to marlaina schiavo, what was it they were allegedly buying? i'm not buying into the theory that they go that far and get in that much danger for a joint. okay? >> yeah, that's what hank croslin is saying, misty's father. police are not telling us what the drug was at this point. we may find out down the line, though, nancy. >> ellie jostad, what more can you tell me? >> well, nancy as art and marlaina explained, they did find a bottle of pills there at the scene. that was taken into evidence. we may find out from that what drugs they were trying to purchase. also both misty and her friend had their purses taken. misty had her cell phone taken. misty is actually the one who called 911 tearfully saying her arm hurts her leg hurts shooerks been injured in this incident. >> okay. art harris, what's to be done about it? what, if anything, how does it affect the investigation?
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does it seem more possible that misty croslin was using drugs that night or was not in the home? >> nancy, there's lots of speculation. this report was forwarded to detectives with the putnam county sheriff's department that were investigating the haleigh cummings case. the pollack police are not involved in that. this does show misty sort of cast adrift. she's living with girlfriends who are also teenagers and she hasn't gone home yet although i hear that may happen. she's out there and anything can can happen. >> dr. mccary, thank you for being with us tonight. >> yes, ma'am. dmroo dwr mccary, am the reason i find some particular p -- >> like ate it? say you got a 25 rock a $25 rock and a child ate a couple of those. what would that do to a child? >> well, it would certainly have narcotic effects. it's not a drug quite as strongly as it is when it's snorted or injected but they
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can have life-threatening effects of stopping your normal breathing, because that's what narcotics do. these highly addictive substances, we've seen people commit crazy crimes against their own family members even at times selling a child into prostitution because the drive of these drugs are so strong. >> dr. mccary, if she did ingest several units of crack could it kill her? >> it could kill her in high doses, yes, ma'am. #
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♪ ♪ welcome to comcast local edition. i am donna richardson and my guest this hour is colonel george f. johnson iv superintendent of the maryland natural resources police. colonel, thank you for joining me. >> great to be here with you. >> in addition to being with the maryland natural resources you are president of the maryland police chief association and
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who in addition to chief are your members? and who is working with you? >> it is comprised mostly of chief of police from all over the state and state government and law enforcement chiefs and county and municipalities that exist in all of the state of maryland. >> i know as a group i know there are several initiatives taking place. there is a new one. checkpoint strike force. >> yes it is a research based-multi-state situation where we pick and we go out there and we look for drivers that are impaired and work to get them off of the road and we do that through our sobriarity checkpoints and our saturation patrols. >> and so, which jerse - jurisdiction, one specific area or all of the jurisdictions now involved? >> all throughout maryland, the
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chiefs of police have signed on. every jurisdiction signed on in some way shape or form to participate in the checkpoint strike force. >> and so do you find that the checkpoints are helpful in hopefully lowering traffic fatalities? >> absolutely. fatalities have been reduced 20 percent in the areas where we are doing the checkpoints . it proves to be extremely beneficial to us in many different ways. >> and do you find that the residents are supporting the checkpoints and do you have partner necessary this effort? >> yes we do. as you know, it is a powerful organization of mothers against drunk drivers. we work with them chosely in this endeavor and other organizations. their surveys indicate 85 to 90 percent of the people they
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talked to support the checkpoints. >> do you do these at specific times of year or are the checkpoints ongoing initiative. >> they are ongoing initiatives. they will be taking place every week and everywhere and where you think that it is the best possible opportunity to deploy the work force and effective use knowledge of our people in this endeavor. >> as you are having the checkpoints and i know initially you are looking for impaired drivers but are you finding other things when you are pulling over the impaired drivers? >> oh, yes. people are very surprised what we run into on the checkpoints. the main focus is to get the impaired drivers that use alcohol off of the streets and identify them. but we are running into people who have warrants on them. their licenses are suspended
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some people have drugs in the vehicle this we were able to detect and find. there is a whole gamut of things and seat belt usage. it helps us with the seat belt initiatives and child safety seat. we are able to make different observations and of course, we put a lot of emphasis on the seat belt usage and child safety seat as well >> i know some jurisdiction or most of the them there is zero tolerance if you don't have your seat belt on it is amazing that people are still driving without them. >> it is with the seat belt usage, if you are involved in an accident with the impaired drivers that use alcohol that gives you that much more of a chance to survive. >> how can citizens assist with the checkpoint strike force? >> we need them to be our eyes and ears out there. as with many thing necessary law enforcement and we ask citizens
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to do. if they see a person driving erratically or aggressively and feel they are under the influence of alcohol. pick up the cell phone and dial the number 911 or what ever it is that they feel comfortable in using. >> thank you colonel for joining me. >> donna thank you for helping us. >> thank you for watching comcast local edition. i am donna richason.
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